First of all, i never said anything in the document is offensive or erroneous. I just conveyed my disagreement for generalizations published widely.
Have you ever seen any SCIENTIFIC publication without “References” “Sources”. “Data gathering, analysis, diagnosis, prognosis and conclusion” and validations?
Best to follow the рдХреБрд▓ рдзрд░реНрдо рд╕реВрддреНрд░рд╛ sUthram of your family or what has been handed down to you from your father (and in case if you have no knowledge of this, as suggested by your family priest). In worst case, you should know which sUthrA / mAna you follow. ChAndramAna sampradAyam is different from sourya mAna sampradAyam even within say AapasthamBa or BOdhAyana sUthrA. If your ancestors have already documented, well and good. If not at least you do it for your family lineage. ( i have done this consulting all family elders + family priest whom i know did prOhitham to my grand dad and quotes from my dad’s grand dad as told by family elders,
SINCE YOU WANT “SPECIFICS”: My 350 cc brain should not add to generalizations or simplifications without any authentic references. Therefore, suffice to say, I am just listing what I follow rather than MAKING THIS AS PRESCRIPTIVE / GENERALISED VERSION. I REQUEST READERS TO EXERCISE THEIR OWN THOUGHT PROCESS.
1) VEGETABLEs/ FRUITS / CEREALS: what is accepted during shrAdhdham рд╢реНрд░рджреНрдзрдореН (this may vary depending on the decision taken on the first shrAdhdham day of mom or dad and family to family). Is applicable during mahAlayam. Only generic rule is тАЬTake saathvic food and avaid rajasik and thamasic food) and avoid ENglish vegetables when in India, Prohibited рдирд┐рд╖рд┐рджреНрдз items are Onion, garlic, mushtoom are . In fact, some people avoid the veg ./ fruits given up at their pithruтАЩs KaSzi rituals but our priest says this is not a saszthrA рд╢рд╛рд╕реНрддреНрд░ restriction.
2) Soucha vastram: рд╢реМрдЪ рд╡рд╕реНрддреНрд░рдВmust be wetted and dried on same day (not prior day) in our family tradition. This is true for even monthly AmAvAsya tharpaNam рддрд░реНрдкрдгрдореН or mAsa sankramana tharpanam, ayaNa sankraman tharpanam (uthrAyaNam /dkashnAyaNam) or eclipse tharpaNams (soma uparAga рд╕реЛрдореЛрдкрд░рд╛рдЧ lunar eclipse; рд╕реВрд░реНрдпреЛрдкрд░рд╛рдЧ solar eclipse (рдЙрдкрд░рд╛рдЧрдГ тАУ eclipse )
3) viBhoothi / chandana: our priest says, it is no harm to have them during the tharapaNam but better to follow family practice.
4) Timing: vishNu yOgam, vishNu karaNam + thithi (for normal / natural deaths of grahasthAs). For untimely / unnatural deaths [рдЕрдХрд╛рд▓ / рдШреЛрд░ рдорд░рдгрдореН] or for sanyAsiis, this rule would be different.
5) Manthras vary. Some people chant рдЛрдХреН rik and some donтАЩt. Even aachamana manthram рдЖрдЪрдорди рдордиреНрддреНрд░рдореН differs between families. In chAndramaana sampradaya рдЪрд╛рдиреНрджреНрд░рдорд╛рди рд╕рдВрдкреНрд░рджрд╛рдп people chant 24.Some chant 11 or 16. Vaishavites chant shree vishnOh or (vaasudEvoh) preetyartham and avoid paramEswara preetyartham
6) When manthrAs written in Tamil, they mean different unless a TRANSLITERATION guide is provided. I am giving only two examples below.
6.1) роороорпЛ рокро╛ро░рпНродрпНрод : what does it mean? The word is mama upAththa рдордо рдЙрдкрд╛рддреНрдд рд╕рдорд╕реНрдд or рдордореЛрдкрд╛рддреНрдд рд╕рдорд╕реНрдд (this means “my all difficulties”) (further words mean -may decline swiftly)
6.2) The word роЙро╕роорпН doesnтАЩt have meaning. The standard protocol used for the Sanskrit character рд╢ is za. I write as Sza but give the Sanskrit word near by. THE actual manthra is реР рдЙрд╢рдиреНрддрд╕реНрддреНрд╡рд╛ рдирд┐рдзреАрдорд╣рд┐ рдЙрд╢рдиреНрдд: рд╕рдорд┐рдзреАрдорд╣рд┐ редрдЙрд╢рдиреН рдЙрд╢рдд рд╜рдЖрд╡рд╣ рдкрд┐рддреГрдиреН рд╣рд╡рд┐рд╖реЗ рд╜рдЕрддреНрддрд╡реЗ And this is not restricted to rig vEdhiis only.
7) Some manthrA proyOgam may vary from family to family For each тАУ pithA, pithAmahA, pithru pithamahA, maAthamahA, mathrupithAmaha, mathruprapithAmahA, some people chant 3 different manthras (with рдЛрдХреН) generalization / simplification.
SORRY FOR A LONG MAIL.
1) What is authentic source for this?
2) Is this based on any sUthram such as ApasthamBa or BhOdhAyan ir yANgyavalkia or any other?
3) Look at vegetables to be excluded / included – are all the items in the vegetables to be included list are vegetables?
4) Who or what gives authority to amend the SCRIPTURES that were compiled and handed down by millions of 350cc brained seers over centuries / millenniums and already codified and documented and annotated and handed down to us?. Will the author own up all the sin that accrues by people blindly believing this to be true and following this publication ignoring what their ancestors have handed down as per their respective sUthrAs? If people have no time to read the original is not an excuse
5) What is the justification of people writing whatever they know as generalized stuff without any caveats. If the author has prefaced that this is what their families follow and ask readers to check out that would have been better.
6) At least can these people tell us the TRUE / REAL meaning of the term mahAlayA and why we do the ritual? (There is enough info on garuda puranam on this.)
7) SORRY TO BE BLUNT. MY DAD”s command to me some 60 years ago: “If we can’t pass down the scriptures in their entirety , at least we must allow them to exist as it is without amending them, simplifying them with our limited 350cc brain’s grasp. Since our scriptures have lived till your birth, be sure it will live even after you. IF YOU CAN, learn Sanskrit, take pains to accesss the original scriptures, read them, understand the true spirit behind and follow as much as you can. And make sure whatever you received as family traditions are passed down to your progeny and let the other 350 cc brains also do their job”
8) Even MahAperiyavA when asked why not he change the scriptures to suit modern thinking he replied ” do i have a moral, ethical, intellectual right to amend them?
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Very detailed and very useful, pictures are very helpful. Thanks for posting this.
Which portion if offensive or you feel isnt authentic? Please be specific so that it is clear.
First of all, i never said anything in the document is offensive or erroneous. I just conveyed my disagreement for generalizations published widely.
Have you ever seen any SCIENTIFIC publication without “References” “Sources”. “Data gathering, analysis, diagnosis, prognosis and conclusion” and validations?
Best to follow the рдХреБрд▓ рдзрд░реНрдо рд╕реВрддреНрд░рд╛ sUthram of your family or what has been handed down to you from your father (and in case if you have no knowledge of this, as suggested by your family priest). In worst case, you should know which sUthrA / mAna you follow. ChAndramAna sampradAyam is different from sourya mAna sampradAyam even within say AapasthamBa or BOdhAyana sUthrA. If your ancestors have already documented, well and good. If not at least you do it for your family lineage. ( i have done this consulting all family elders + family priest whom i know did prOhitham to my grand dad and quotes from my dad’s grand dad as told by family elders,
SINCE YOU WANT “SPECIFICS”: My 350 cc brain should not add to generalizations or simplifications without any authentic references. Therefore, suffice to say, I am just listing what I follow rather than MAKING THIS AS PRESCRIPTIVE / GENERALISED VERSION. I REQUEST READERS TO EXERCISE THEIR OWN THOUGHT PROCESS.
1) VEGETABLEs/ FRUITS / CEREALS: what is accepted during shrAdhdham рд╢реНрд░рджреНрдзрдореН (this may vary depending on the decision taken on the first shrAdhdham day of mom or dad and family to family). Is applicable during mahAlayam. Only generic rule is тАЬTake saathvic food and avaid rajasik and thamasic food) and avoid ENglish vegetables when in India, Prohibited рдирд┐рд╖рд┐рджреНрдз items are Onion, garlic, mushtoom are . In fact, some people avoid the veg ./ fruits given up at their pithruтАЩs KaSzi rituals but our priest says this is not a saszthrA рд╢рд╛рд╕реНрддреНрд░ restriction.
2) Soucha vastram: рд╢реМрдЪ рд╡рд╕реНрддреНрд░рдВmust be wetted and dried on same day (not prior day) in our family tradition. This is true for even monthly AmAvAsya tharpaNam рддрд░реНрдкрдгрдореН or mAsa sankramana tharpanam, ayaNa sankraman tharpanam (uthrAyaNam /dkashnAyaNam) or eclipse tharpaNams (soma uparAga рд╕реЛрдореЛрдкрд░рд╛рдЧ lunar eclipse; рд╕реВрд░реНрдпреЛрдкрд░рд╛рдЧ solar eclipse (рдЙрдкрд░рд╛рдЧрдГ тАУ eclipse )
3) viBhoothi / chandana: our priest says, it is no harm to have them during the tharapaNam but better to follow family practice.
4) Timing: vishNu yOgam, vishNu karaNam + thithi (for normal / natural deaths of grahasthAs). For untimely / unnatural deaths [рдЕрдХрд╛рд▓ / рдШреЛрд░ рдорд░рдгрдореН] or for sanyAsiis, this rule would be different.
5) Manthras vary. Some people chant рдЛрдХреН rik and some donтАЩt. Even aachamana manthram рдЖрдЪрдорди рдордиреНрддреНрд░рдореН differs between families. In chAndramaana sampradaya рдЪрд╛рдиреНрджреНрд░рдорд╛рди рд╕рдВрдкреНрд░рджрд╛рдп people chant 24.Some chant 11 or 16. Vaishavites chant shree vishnOh or (vaasudEvoh) preetyartham and avoid paramEswara preetyartham
6) When manthrAs written in Tamil, they mean different unless a TRANSLITERATION guide is provided. I am giving only two examples below.
6.1) роороорпЛ рокро╛ро░рпНродрпНрод : what does it mean? The word is mama upAththa рдордо рдЙрдкрд╛рддреНрдд рд╕рдорд╕реНрдд or рдордореЛрдкрд╛рддреНрдд рд╕рдорд╕реНрдд (this means “my all difficulties”) (further words mean -may decline swiftly)
6.2) The word роЙро╕роорпН doesnтАЩt have meaning. The standard protocol used for the Sanskrit character рд╢ is za. I write as Sza but give the Sanskrit word near by. THE actual manthra is реР рдЙрд╢рдиреНрддрд╕реНрддреНрд╡рд╛ рдирд┐рдзреАрдорд╣рд┐ рдЙрд╢рдиреНрдд: рд╕рдорд┐рдзреАрдорд╣рд┐ редрдЙрд╢рдиреН рдЙрд╢рдд рд╜рдЖрд╡рд╣ рдкрд┐рддреГрдиреН рд╣рд╡рд┐рд╖реЗ рд╜рдЕрддреНрддрд╡реЗ And this is not restricted to rig vEdhiis only.
7) Some manthrA proyOgam may vary from family to family For each тАУ pithA, pithAmahA, pithru pithamahA, maAthamahA, mathrupithAmaha, mathruprapithAmahA, some people chant 3 different manthras (with рдЛрдХреН) generalization / simplification.
SORRY FOR A LONG MAIL.
1) What is authentic source for this?
2) Is this based on any sUthram such as ApasthamBa or BhOdhAyan ir yANgyavalkia or any other?
3) Look at vegetables to be excluded / included – are all the items in the vegetables to be included list are vegetables?
4) Who or what gives authority to amend the SCRIPTURES that were compiled and handed down by millions of 350cc brained seers over centuries / millenniums and already codified and documented and annotated and handed down to us?. Will the author own up all the sin that accrues by people blindly believing this to be true and following this publication ignoring what their ancestors have handed down as per their respective sUthrAs? If people have no time to read the original is not an excuse
5) What is the justification of people writing whatever they know as generalized stuff without any caveats. If the author has prefaced that this is what their families follow and ask readers to check out that would have been better.
6) At least can these people tell us the TRUE / REAL meaning of the term mahAlayA and why we do the ritual? (There is enough info on garuda puranam on this.)
7) SORRY TO BE BLUNT. MY DAD”s command to me some 60 years ago: “If we can’t pass down the scriptures in their entirety , at least we must allow them to exist as it is without amending them, simplifying them with our limited 350cc brain’s grasp. Since our scriptures have lived till your birth, be sure it will live even after you. IF YOU CAN, learn Sanskrit, take pains to accesss the original scriptures, read them, understand the true spirit behind and follow as much as you can. And make sure whatever you received as family traditions are passed down to your progeny and let the other 350 cc brains also do their job”
8) Even MahAperiyavA when asked why not he change the scriptures to suit modern thinking he replied ” do i have a moral, ethical, intellectual right to amend them?